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| Frequently Asked Questions |
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Can League Master run Pyramid
Leagues?
Quite why anyone would want to use this system is beyond us, but
they do.
Can League Master run Split
Rule Leagues?
A misguided way of trying to keep the top players together?
Can we use a rule system where
the top two players in each box move up the same number of boxes?
Not a standard way of doing things and not currently supported.
Is League Master multi-user?
Er, no!
Is the LeagueWeb service independant
of the main League Master Program?
You can run League Master without using LeagueWeb, but you can't
use LeagueWeb without League Master!
Can I enter the Match Points
rather than the Game Score when Entering Results?
A range of error checking and calculations depend on how you enter
scores.
Why enter the score at all?
Wouldn't it be easier to just add up the points in your head and
enter this?
If you have always run your leagues by hand, you might ask this
question. Once you started using League Master, you will know the
answer!
How does League Master separate
players who end up with the same total score?
It has to be done and we have picked as good a way as any.
How are the positions within
any box worked out?
Once a new league has been created, why is one player higher up
the box than another?
The total scores and results
seem to be wrong for a particular player or box?
It could be the program, but it is usually a misunderstanding of
your rules.
I am sure that entered a
particular score, but the program seems to have changed it?
League Master will do that, but only for good reasons! |
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| Can
League Master run Pyramid Leagues? |
The simple answer is no. Since leagues have always been done by
hand and with no standard way of doing them, a number of methods
have arisen over the years to try and solve what some people see
as failings in other methods. Running leagues as a pyramid is one
such method used, but the benefits in using it seem questionable.
One of the main arguments for it seems to be that you do not end
up repeating a match against the same player two periods running.
Players not wanting a rematch of a closely fought game? Doesn't
seem much of a justification, does it? However, what do you think?
Why not tell us?
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| Can League Master
run split rule leagues? |
Well, it was not originally designed to do so, but yes, it is actually
quite easy to make it. (A split rule league is one where the players
in the top boxes can only move up or down 1 box, but the other players
can move up or down 2 or more.) The problem again is much like Pyramid
Leagues. Why would you want to do it? The problem arises when you
have a few players at the top of the league who are much better
than the rest. If someone in Box 1 goes down to Box 3, they may
find the matches so easy that although they go straight back up
to Box 1 again, they spend a less than exciting period winning easy
matches. However, look at it the other way. Someone ends up in Box
1 who will not win a match, but it gives them a chance to play players
they would not normally do. Most people relish this opportunity
and it might be considered arrogance by the best players not to
allow someone this chance!
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| Can we use a rule
where the top two players move up the same number
of boxes? |
The simple answer is no. When we were designing League Master,
we spoke to many clubs about the way they ran their leagues and
saw methods that you would just not believe - some were straight
out of an asylum! It was very obvious that there was no 'standard'
way of doing job and if we were to cater for every method, we would
be programming until the cows came home.
So we sat down with the SRA and tried to work out some basic standards
that people could use. By far the most commonly used way for players
to move up and down the leagues was where the winner moves up one
more box than the second placed player. Not only does it seem fairer
that the winner moves up more than the second placed player, but
it also means that a player who is only just better than the other
players in his box, does not get out of his depth too quickly.
So, assuming there are enough players in the box, you can have the
winner going up 1 with second staying where he is, or have the winner
going up 2, second going up 1 and third staying where he is.
Give it a try and we bet no one complains for long!
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| Is League Master
multi-user? |
No. Although you can store the data files anywhere you like - locally
or on your network - you cannot have two copies of the program accessing
the data at once.
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| Is
the LeagueWeb service independant of the main League Master Program? |
Yes, they are completely independant and you can run League Master
without any use of the web site display system.
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| Can I enter the Match
Points rather than the Game Score when Entering Results? |
Yes and No. If a player wins 3-1, then this might equate to 6-2
in points, depending upon what scoring rules you use. Some clubs
have the players enter these points, so as to be able to add up
their points as the league progresses and thereby know their position
in the particular box at any time.
While this may appear to be a useful method, it does have three
drawbacks:
- When entering the result, a player is unlikely to make a mistake
over the actual match score. However, converting the match score
to points is one more step and far more likely to create an error
- an error that is not as obvious as getting the match score wrong.
- If you decide to try a slightly different scoring system (something
that is easy to do with League Master) you are asking for confusion.
However, regardless of the scoring system used, the actual match
score will always be the same.
- It is generally far more relevant, when looking at other matches,
to know that the person you are about to play lost 3-0 against
a player you beat. Having to work backwards to discover this result
is awkward.
Of course, you can make out similar arguments the other way. So
what do you do?
We have designed League Master around entering the actual game score
for good reason (see next FAQ) and it is this that must be
entered into the Results Entry form. However, you have the option
of printing out a results entry report where both games and points
can be entered at the same time.
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| Why enter the score
at all? Wouldn't it be easier to just add up the points in your
head and enter this? |
The problem is that while it obviously takes a little longer, it
is essential for the following reasons:
- League Master cannot separate players who have the same total
unless you enter the individual scores.
- League Master cannot automatically add extra points for a player
playing all his matches unless you enter the individual scores.
- League Master cannot check for mistakes unless you enter the
individual scores.
- If you wish to display the league results
on your web site, you must have entered the data into League
Master first.
We are confident that with the keyboard short cuts available and
the overall design of the results entry system,
you will have no problem adjusting and although it seems like more
work, you will end up processing the leagues in a fraction of the
time it takes at the moment.
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| How does League Master
separate players who end up with the same total score? |
There is basically one main system and then a default situation
that catches any that the main system cannot separate. This has
been changed since the help file was created and now works as follows:
Once the actual scores have been worked out, they are put into
points order. The program looks down the list and finds any groups
of players with the same score. It then takes any group it finds,
creates a new 'virtual' box with only these players in it and then
works out the scores for each player.
A simple example of this is where two players have the same score,
but if Player A beat Player B (or won more games in their match),
then Player A will be placed above Player B in the results.
This system almost invariably separates the players without any
difficulty. However, if two players still have the same score, then
it is decided by where they originally were in the box.
Other systems could be added (such as number of actual matches
won) but in the end it is a time issue. However, if you have any
thoughts, then we would be delighted to hear
from you.
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| How
are the positions within any box worked out? |
The exact way the positions are arrived at is dependent upon the
rules used. However, if we use a box with 6 players in as an example,
the basic principal will become obvious. In our example, we will
also assume that the winner moves up 2 boxes and the second player
moves up 1 box.
In this case, any box is made up as follows:
1 |
From two boxes above |
2 |
From one box above |
3 |
Unmoved |
4 |
Unmoved |
5 |
From one box below |
6 |
From two boxes below |
Obviously, people entering or leaving the league will mess this
up, but generally this is how it works.
Of course, it does bring up the question of why should Player A,
who might have lost all his matches and dropped down two boxes,
be placed higher than Player B, who has won all his matches and
moved up two? One answer is that prior to this league period, Player
A was 4 boxes higher up the league than Player B and is therefore
probably the better player. Another answer is that we can't think
of a better way of doing it!
It is also worth remembering that even if you won your box and
would expect to go up 2 boxes, you could end up going nowhere if
a few new people entered the leagues above you.
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| The
total scores and results seem to be wrong for a particular player
or box? |
If you are sure that it is an error by the program, then please
send us an email including all the results for the box concerned
and a list of the points set in your rules. (Select the particular
league in the Current Leagues box, right-click, select Rules and
then click on the Points tab.)
However, before you do, please check the following:
- There is a difference between entering 'N' for not playing a
match and '0' for not winning any games. N usually get no points,
whereas 0 usually gets at least 1. Check your rules.
- Are the actual scores written down valid? For instance, in a
given match, did only one player have a score entered against
their name? Did you interpret this correctly?
- Have you allocated bonus points for playing all your matches
and forgotten to include this when looking at the program results?
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| I
am sure that entered a particular score, but the program seems to
have changed it? |
League Master goes to some length to stop you entering invalid
results and at the same time, help you where possible. All match
scores come in pairs and some are valid and some are not. So, a
score of 3-2 is valid, as is N-N if the match was not played, but
a score of 3-3 is not valid (they cannot both win), nor is N-2 since
if one player did not play the match, the other one can't have played
either.
If you enter a 2 in one square and then enter N in the matching
square (an invalid result), the program will remove the original
2 automatically.
However, by default Auto Fill is turned on (Auto Fill is on the
Options menu of the Results Entry form). Auto Fill tries to be even
smarter and if you enter an N, W or L, which only have one matching
value, it will fill this in for you.
Try entering results with Auto Fill on and off to see which works
better for you.
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